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 Post subject: So What do you all think?
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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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I must confess I hadn't thought of the fact that they would use the same case for other machines, but it follows Dell practices (i.e. their Dimension series--2400, 4700, etc.)

At least they're being upfront about the slots:

(2) PCIe x16 (x8 electrically)
(1) x8 PCIe (x4 electrically)

One possible advantage to us of the 625 may be that we might benefit from ongoing upgrades/development in common hardware, such as the Master I/O board firmware, etc. Assuming of course, that those hardware components haven't changed.

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Mikee, "Eh... needs garlic." - excellent! :lol:

Greg, a quick look at the 625 doc's and the MIO diagram looks just like the 630's so firmware updates could well be on the horizon.

The release of this 625 with all AMD gear begs the question is the soon to be released 640 (rumour) going to be all Nvidia? Two systems to cater for both camps instead of (in my opinion anyway) a failed attempt to incorporate compatability for both in one system. It would also seem to point towards the 625 having the ability to enable customers to now use retail ATI GPUs for crossfire instead being tied to "Dellized" cards.

Wonder if Chris_M could step in and shed some light?

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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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The release of this 625 with all AMD gear begs the question is the soon to be released 640 (rumor) going to be all Nvidia? Two systems to cater for both camps instead of (in my opinion anyway) a failed attempt to incorporate compatibility for both in one system. It would also seem to point towards the 625 having the ability to enable customers to now use retail ATI GPUs for crossfire instead being tied to "Dellized" cards.


If this is the case, it sounds like Dell might just be learning. :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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Certainly hope so Greg.

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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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So here is a "marketing" suggestion for this forum:

- get www.my625.com and link it to the same 630 forum
- do the same for the 640 when it comes out

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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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Loch wrote:
So here is a "marketing" suggestion for this forum:

- get http://www.my625.com and link it to the same 630 forum
- do the same for the 640 when it comes out


Already done, smart people here .....

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3.5 floppy drive in the configuration .... what????

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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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How does the 625 stack up compared to the 630? Are the AMD cpu's worthy?

Seems that the 630 is a better buy configuration and warranty wise..

Looks like the Studio XPS with i7 which can be maxed out with 12GB of DDR3 memory is a bargain. However, the only GPU option is the ATI 4850. How does the 4850 stack up compared to the Nvidia 280?


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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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At the moment I would have to agree, the 630 is a better configuration. There are a couple of anomolies with the 625 that would need answering before I would jump in.

The 625 uses the AMD 790x chipset, specs can be viewd here.

Dell's version of the mobo, spec's here.

From AMD's spec's,

PCI Express Generation 2.0 Double your graphics bandwidth over earlier PCI Express for improved performance.

GPU-Plex Technology Scalable twin-engine technology, all on a single chip, enables flexible configurations for multiple graphics cards on a single x16 link.


Now from Dell's spec's,
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(2) PCIe x16 (x8 electrically)


So to my questions.

1. Seeing as both PCIe slots are x8 would this mean that PCI Express Generation 2.0 would infact only be able to run at 1.0?

2. Again seeing as both PCIe slots are x8 would this mean that GPU-Plex would be unavailable due to there not being any x16 link?

Maybe Chris_M could shed some light.

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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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What is the 640 rumor? Will it have the i7?

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Mikee, "Eh... needs garlic." - excellent! :lol:

Greg, a quick look at the 625 doc's and the MIO diagram looks just like the 630's so firmware updates could well be on the horizon.

The release of this 625 with all AMD gear begs the question is the soon to be released 640 (rumour) going to be all Nvidia? Two systems to cater for both camps instead of (in my opinion anyway) a failed attempt to incorporate compatability for both in one system. It would also seem to point towards the 625 having the ability to enable customers to now use retail ATI GPUs for crossfire instead being tied to "Dellized" cards.

Wonder if Chris_M could step in and shed some light?


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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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The rumor is that the XPS 640 will be released at the end of Feb. Don't quite remember where I read it though. As for specs - anybodies guess.

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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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Is anyone else hoping that the 640 isn't that much better than the 630? I'm not trying to say I'm unhappy with my system but I'd hate to know that waiting a couple months would've netted me a couple more years of life out of the system components.

Regardless, I hope the new 640 owners don't have to go through all the same problems the original 630 owners had to.

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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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Well if they do have problems they can come here for help! :D

TBH I'm not too concerned if the 640 is better than the 630, it would show that Dell have actually listened, I won't hold my breath though.

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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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I think all in all, it's a good machine for the $$. I think DELL and it's tech support,
are the worst I have ever seen. DELL didn't give me what I ordered, and then won't fix their mistake, that they admitted to me on the phone...... I just don't understand.`


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The single most expensive part of building any PC would have to be the aftercare. The only real way to cut that cost would be to supply honest, working systems that require little to no support.

The more rough and ready systems that get sent out, the poorer the customer/tech support gets the more customers will go somewhere else. I really do hope Dell can re-trace their steps and recover the lead they once had.

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 Post subject: Re: So What do you all think?
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Well we do seem to have wandered off track a little (me included) so to try to get it back.

It seems that the ability of the chip-set to run at PCIe 2.0 coupled with the fact that the PCIe slot only has x8 would point to the system running the equilivent of a PCIe x16 1.0 rate. Still, an improvement on the 630's setup.

Would love to see some figures to disproove my theory.

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How about the Studio XPS? My local MicroCenter has them in stock for $999. If you were to configure the retail version on dell.com, the price would rise to $1400.

http://microcenter.com/single_product_r ... id=0303045


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At the moment I would have to agree, the 630 is a better configuration. There are a couple of anomolies with the 625 that would need answering before I would jump in.

The 625 uses the AMD 790x chipset, specs can be viewd here.

Dell's version of the mobo, spec's here.

From AMD's spec's,

PCI Express Generation 2.0 Double your graphics bandwidth over earlier PCI Express for improved performance.

GPU-Plex Technology Scalable twin-engine technology, all on a single chip, enables flexible configurations for multiple graphics cards on a single x16 link.


Now from Dell's spec's,
Slots
(2) PCIe x16 (x8 electrically)


So to my questions.

1. Seeing as both PCIe slots are x8 would this mean that PCI Express Generation 2.0 would infact only be able to run at 1.0?

2. Again seeing as both PCIe slots are x8 would this mean that GPU-Plex would be unavailable due to there not being any x16 link?

Maybe Chris_M could shed some light.


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That is without a monitor though. It does however have an exhaust fan as standard, wonder where they got that idea? :roll:

And you may want to have a look at what at least one owner is saying:
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19246415.aspx

Also if you look here at the tech specs it has a 360w PSU, you might be looking at an upgrade if you want to run a gaming type GPU.

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Well we do seem to have wandered off track a little (me included) so to try to get it back.

It seems that the ability of the chip-set to run at PCIe 2.0 coupled with the fact that the PCIe slot only has x8 would point to the system running the equilivent of a PCIe x16 1.0 rate. Still, an improvement on the 630's setup.

Would love to see some figures to disproove my theory.


I don't understand, isn't the 630i both PCI express lanes running at x8 PCIx 2.0 ? When i run GPU-Z it states exactly that.

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At work at the moment so can't check but I'm pretty sure my copy of GPUz reports PCIe x8 1.0. It could be down to the version of GPUz, what one are you running, I'll check mine when I get home.

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Not to steal your thunder, BBF ;) but on my dual 8800 GTs, GPU-Z v0.3.1 shows the first card as 2.0, and the second as 1.0 (no "1.0" is actually shown, but since it's left off, I assume it's 1.0). However, I believe that both slots are actually only v1.0; I'll need to find the reference to it and add it to the Collective "Issues" page. The 630i owner's manual doesn't say which version either slot is.


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I also have the latest version of GPU-Z and it states PCIe 2.0. If one lane is the other is. I don't know why someone would assume that one is and one is not.

Most of the sites advertising xps630i are advertising pcie 2.0 x16 (which are electricly 2 pcie 2.0 x8 lines).

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I know it's an older version of GPUz but it shows PCIe x16 @ x8. And beceause it does not specity v2.0 it must be v1.0, or at least that's what I would gather. I'll download the latest version and see what that reports.

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I do seem to remember though on the old DCF this subject was done to death and at one point I'm sure Chris_M reported that the Dell 650i SLI mobo was PCIe V1.0 and both slots were perminently hardwired to 8 lanes only. I may be wrong, memories not what it used to be. :roll:

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