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 Post subject: Possible GPU upgrade paths?
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:22 pm 
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Hi to all,
This is from a member who has benefited greatly from the wealth of info & opinion offered on this site from the early days of 630i ownership. (gdonner & davbow amongst others take a bow) :clap:
I would appreciate advice in choosing the best options for upgrading from twin 8800gt's (replaced FOC by Nvidia after overheat fail due to faulty drivers - remember vers 196.75!!!) to either GTS 450 (single or SLI) or GTX 460 (single or SLI).
I am flexible as regards budget (€150 - €450) and manufacturer, but would prefer to get good value for money rather than break any records - i don't overclock (yet) or fold but do play some demanding games - eg. Dragon Age, Mass Effect. So maybe, 1 card now & 1 later on in SLI to future-proof???
I use the default res. of 1680x1050 on just 1 monitor, and don't foresee going bigger for now.
Sound and heat have been issues on my current system so would welcome any improvement -470 & 480 ergo not considered as options. We wont mention the 465 - - - - sorry just did. Am using MSI Afterburner to monitor and control fans & temps.
I am also installing extra memory (swapping out the 2 x 512mb sticks for 2 x 2gb sticks. Any advice on this would also be welcomed btw.
If anybody can offer opinion but needs further info, please let me know.
Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: Possible GPU upgrade paths?
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:02 pm 
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Well my 2p worth...

Seeing as you still have the stock mobo/PSU I would suggest a single GTX 460 - going sli with stock would be messy GPU power coupling wise so you'd be better off upgrading the PSU for that. Also not 100% sure on this but I think the 400 series require PCIe v2.0 to work correctly, if so then a mobo upgrade may well be also needed (guru's please jump in and help me out here).

As for the RAM upgrade, make sure you get matching timings/voltage to the sticks you are keeping.

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 Post subject: Re: Possible GPU upgrade paths?
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:38 pm 
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I am running 1 GTX 470 in my 630i, runs great. You say you are having heat problems in your case? You could install an exhaust fan at the rear. How fast do you have your front fans set? Or do you have them just set to "auto"? Personally, I don't think the "auto" setting works for the case fans. I believe I have the front fans set to 25-30% and my CPU fan set to 80%. I also use MSI Afterburner and have set my own fan profile for my 470, I didn't like the slow reaction of the "auto" setting. I don't think my GPU has got over 75C now, which is good. Before it was hitting 90C easily. A bit of advice, if you decide to use the nvidia esa performance tool to change your case fan speeds, you should also change the cpu fan to something reasonable also, as it will be locked to whereever it is set at in the control panel.

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 Post subject: Re: Possible GPU upgrade paths?
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:31 am 
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Since you're not considering buying the 470 or 480, I will have to agree with billybigfoot regarding the GTX 460. Honestly, if you plan to stick with a resolution of 1680x1050, you should save some money and go with the 768mb version. That's more than enough to handle that resolution and it's only an average of 4 to 5 fps slower than the 1gb version. Also, since you're not OC'ing, your stock psu can handle dual GTX 460's. Nvidia requires a 550w psu for dual GTX 460's but knowing how shady Dell psu's have been (hit or miss regarding to quality), billybigfoot makes a valid point to be aware of the possibility of upgrading the psu.

billybigfoot wrote:
Also not 100% sure on this but I think the 400 series require PCIe v2.0 to work correctly, if so then a mobo upgrade may well be also needed...


Regarding this statement, the GTX 460 will operate fine with the stock mobo. Since the stock pci-e slots are 1.1 16x electronically locked at 8x, they are actually equivalent to 2.0 4x performance. Read THIS as reference so you will have an idea of the performance loss you will have at the 1680x1050 resolution.

Since you're eye-balling the GTS 450 and the GTX 460, here's what to expect if you decide to run SLI in the future...

GTS 450 < GTX 460 < GTX 470 < GTX 480

GTS 450 SLI > GTX 470 but < GTX 480

GTX 460 SLI > GTX 480

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 Post subject: Re: Possible GPU upgrade paths?
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:32 pm 
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Thanks to all who offered assistance, excellent opinions as usual.
To billybigfoot & drblahman: Your recommendations of the 460 will tip the balance for me as to which card(s) to purchase ie: 1 now and 1 later when needs must, with 1 of the 8800's to be used for PhysX in the interim? Your concerns re the PSU are well noted and will be taken into consideration.
To KevinK37: I have no problems with noise or temps except when running GPU intensive games and using Afterburner allows me to keep GPU temps below 75C albeit with fans at 50-55% and noisy. Adjusting case fans has little effect on CPU or GPU temps so I leave case fans at auto.
Finally to billybigfoot: Do I need to purchase a specific brand(s) of memory or have some brands compatability issues with the stock mb - OCZ seems to be popular with many posters here?

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 Post subject: Re: Possible GPU upgrade paths?
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:43 pm 
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FirBolg@heart wrote:
...OCZ seems to be popular with many posters here?


OCZ Blades Low Voltage memory (PC2-8500: 1066MHz) is the popular memory if you're OC'ing the cpu. Corsair, Patriot, Mushkin or GSkill (PC2-6400: 800MHz) will do just fine if you're not into OC'ing.

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 Post subject: Re: Possible GPU upgrade paths?
 Post Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:09 pm 
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First off I would just like to say how great these forums are. I've had a 630i for a while now and just stumbled onto these.

Like FirBlog I was looking to upgrade my GPU. I purchased a MSI GTX460 and have been pretty happy with it. Overclocking the GPU has been very stable.

I was then reading around and found out about the whole mobo PCIx16 really PCIx8 slot. :roll: I've looking around for a few days to see what the impact of not having PCIx16 is. The link by DrBlahMan a few posts down was very helpful as most things that come from his keyboard. However, I like to run at 1920x1200 if possible. With that in mind it looks like the FPS hit is measurable.

Getting to the point..... If lets say I had $150-$200 in my pocket for a mobo upgrade to enable PCIx16 2.0 would that be possible? I'm not sure what machine specs are needed to help me out, but let me know and I'll find them. I have a pretty much stock 630i with a Core 2 Duo E8400.

Sorry if I may be highjacking the thread a little, but Mr.Firblog may have the same question down the road.

Thanks in advance to any reply!

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 Post subject: Re: Possible GPU upgrade paths?
 Post Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:48 pm 
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kklemmo wrote:
First off I would just like to say how great these forums are. I've had a 630i for a while now and just stumbled onto these.

Like FirBlog I was looking to upgrade my GPU. I purchased a MSI GTX460 and have been pretty happy with it. Overclocking the GPU has been very stable.

I was then reading around and found out about the whole mobo PCIx16 really PCIx8 slot. :roll: I've looking around for a few days to see what the impact of not having PCIx16 is. The link by DrBlahMan a few posts down was very helpful as most things that come from his keyboard. However, I like to run at 1920x1200 if possible. With that in mind it looks like the FPS hit is measurable.


Yeah, you will take a nice hit in performance (depending on the game you play) but that's why having 2 for a SLI setup will always do the trick :thumbup:

kklemmo wrote:
Getting to the point..... If lets say I had $150-$200 in my pocket for a mobo upgrade to enable PCIx16 2.0 would that be possible? I'm not sure what machine specs are needed to help me out, but let me know and I'll find them. I have a pretty much stock 630i with a Core 2 Duo E8400.

Sorry if I may be highjacking the thread a little, but Mr.Firblog may have the same question down the road.


Yup :roll: this is highjacking :fishslap: Please be kind enough to create a new thread regarding your concern about mobo upgrades OR find an existing thread that is referring to mobo upgrade options and post your question there :)

BTW...Welcome to the forum :D

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