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 Post subject: New Processor
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:04 pm 
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Hello Guys,
I am getting a new processor. I'm going from a Q6600 to an E8500 mainly because
I can't get the Q6600 to overclock. My question is do I need to setup my bios
for the new cpu or will it do it automaticly when it's installed?

Thanks in advance

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 Post subject: Re: New Processor
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:46 pm 
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I suspect whether the new processor will simply "drop in" with your BIOS depends on how many things are set to "automatic", but I don't know that for certain.

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 Post subject: Re: New Processor
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:00 pm 
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Honestly, going from a Q6600, which is actually a great overclocker, to an E8500 wont make a difference. You are having trouble OC"ing because of the stock motherboard. The 630i's stock motherboard (650i) flat out sucks. If you are going to dump about $200+ for an E8500, i would rather you upgrade to a 780i motherboard. Then you will be able to get that Q6600 to a good 3.2 to 3.4 GHz, depending on your cooling. And the overclocked Q6600 will destroy a Dual Core E8500.

I had a Q6600 on my EVGA 780i motherboard with a Thermaltake V1 and i got it to 3.8GHz on air and the temps never went over 65C. So i would invest in a new motherboard and a nice cooler instead of going backwards from a quad core to a dual core.

And the 780i is a bit more future-proof than the stock dell motherboard. Has x16 2.0 lanes instead of the x8 lanes for graphics, which are also a bottleneck.


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 Post subject: Re: New Processor
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snorky99, I agree 100% with m3th0d1c4l. You need to be obliged by the 780i if you think you need to shell out $200 for a dual core. The Q6600 is still one of the favorites when it comes to OC'ing quad cores :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: New Processor
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m3th0d1c4l wrote:
Then you will be able to get that Q6600 to a good 3.2 to 3.4 GHz, depending on your cooling. And the overclocked Q6600 will destroy a Dual Core E8500.


I'm not so sure where you got this from - it's true that an OC'd Q6600 will match or beat (though not 'destroy') a stock E8500, but an OC'd E8500 will beat that - being as you can push it to 3.8-4.0GHz, something a Q6600 will never reach (at least on air). I'm talking about in gaming here, rather than multithreaded transcoding or something like that.

Additionally, it saves installing a new mobo as the E8500 will OC to 3.6-3.8GHz on the 650i mobo as several users here have done so already. Have a look at this page in bit-tech's recent lynnfield review: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/09/08/intel-core-i5-and-i7-lynnfield-cpu-review/7 and (although they use an E8600) you'll see it beats the Q6600 at both stock and OC in gaming.

Having said all that, if you are confident swapping out your mobo it's probably not a bad idea as the Q6600 is a very good chip and the Dell 650i isn't brilliant - but if you really can't OC the Q6600 then the straight processor swap is an easier upgrade path, if not necessarily the most cost-effective.

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 Post subject: Re: New Processor
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Thanks for the advice guys. I have never swapped out a mother board before just a hard drives and graphics cards. It seems a bit intimidating…so many connections. I’ll have to do more research and maybe watch some youtube videos. Is there brand of mother board that works good in the 630i case as far as fit and connections?


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 Post subject: Re: New Processor
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snorky99 wrote:
Thanks for the advice guys. I have never swapped out a mother board before just a hard drives and graphics cards. It seems a bit intimidating…so many connections. I’ll have to do more research and maybe watch some youtube videos. Is there brand of mother board that works good in the 630i case as far as fit and connections?


It's actually not as bad as it seems at first... All the connectors etc are standard so it really just a case of being careful and putting everything back where it was - the trickiest part is probably the CPU + heatsink replacement and you'd have to do that anyway!

I went with an ASUS board which brings with it the slightly trickier problem of rewiring the front panel connectors. Not impossible but a bit delicate and annoying. It seems that the board of choice for most 630ers are the n780-based models - this really is a like-for-like replacement of the 650i board, but with many more features. Any ATX-motherboard will fit the 630 case though, so it's up to you - depending on what features you need.

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 Post subject: Re: New Processor
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Well if you plan to switch the motherboard, I hear EVGA has the best support and warranty by far. ASUS is very good too, but if you plan to go with the NV780 chipset, i would go with EVGA or XFX.

And wintergreen, the Q6600 will be a lot better in the games to come, which make use of multicore and multithread CPUS. For now, yea an E8500 will be better at MOST games, but if both are overclocked, you wont see much difference in the majority of the games. But Im pretty sure a Quad Core CPU will play a newer games with a lot of AI (GTA 4) better than an E8500. So for the future, whether the person decides to just play games, or maybe later start encoding videos, the Q6600 is the better choice.

If you ever decide to upgrade the CPU, for the same amount of money, you can get a Q9550 @ about $220 bucks which is also better than the E8500 and the Q6600. But you still need a good motherboard. Now im not saying the E8500 is a bad CPU, just that for the same price you can get better performance.


Now Honestly, comparing CPUS to one another can go on forever, so I dont bother, but since i have owned A Q6600, E8400, and a Q9550, from my personal experience i can say a Quad Core is better than a Dual Core. But everyones opinion and experiences are different.

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 Post subject: Re: New Processor
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 Post subject: Re: New Processor
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:51 am 
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wintergreen wrote:
m3th0d1c4l wrote:
Then you will be able to get that Q6600 to a good 3.2 to 3.4 GHz, depending on your cooling. And the overclocked Q6600 will destroy a Dual Core E8500.


I'm not so sure where you got this from - it's true that an OC'd Q6600 will match or beat (though not 'destroy') a stock E8500, but an OC'd E8500 will beat that - being as you can push it to 3.8-4.0GHz, something a Q6600 will never reach (at least on air). I'm talking about in gaming here, rather than multithreaded transcoding or something like that.

Additionally, it saves installing a new mobo as the E8500 will OC to 3.6-3.8GHz on the 650i mobo as several users here have done so already. Have a look at this page in bit-tech's recent lynnfield review: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/09/08/intel-core-i5-and-i7-lynnfield-cpu-review/7 and (although they use an E8600) you'll see it beats the Q6600 at both stock and OC in gaming.

Having said all that, if you are confident swapping out your mobo it's probably not a bad idea as the Q6600 is a very good chip and the Dell 650i isn't brilliant - but if you really can't OC the Q6600 then the straight processor swap is an easier upgrade path, if not necessarily the most cost-effective.



Wrong.


Seriously lets get a idea of whats going on here and not base out stuff off crap online.

I can call a q6600 overclocked to 4.5ghz and a e8600 overclocked to 3.34ghz both overclocked. Then post bench marks of that q6600 moping the floor with that e8600 but is that fair? No



Encodeing. Dapending on the program most take use of more than 2 cores that Q6600 will spank that e8600 like a baby all day long. Both stock and overclocked.

Gameing. This dapens on a few facors.

Game. Was it made to use more than 2 cores?

Graphic card. Example a Geforce 8800GT needs a core 2 duo or quad at about 3.2ghz to unbottleneck the card.

So in coveing those the first problem the Q6600 has that the E8600 does not is the fact it runs at 2.4ghz. A simple 1333 buss overclocked helps by overclocking it to 2.99ghz and this is a close most q6600's can hit very easy. But you will still wanna oc to 3.2-3.4 to releave the bottleneck 3.2 is prefered.

If the game can take advantage over more than 2 cores then the choice is simple get the Q6600.

So you you need to project into the future alittle if you wanna base your choice on gameing alone. The choice is easy go for the quad. Tech is growing every day and game devlopers are takeing advantage of tech. If you plan on upgradeing to say a core i7 or smthing higher in the near future and most of the games you play only use 2 cores then the easy choice is go with the dual and ride that for as long as you can.

Another factor to consider is heat and power useage. The quad will take power power to run and produce more heat but not double, close to it but not.

Normal every day use. internet and stuff like that most people say a quad will not make a diff. Well im going to itt tech and i decided to challange that clam. So i did a little experment

4 test systems were made. Each had the same specs and 2 had Q6600's and the outher 2 had E4600's. Each system used the same exact parts at the same settings and ran windows vista hom prem 64 bit. After a test subject was given 30 min of timed use on each machine the harddrive was switched to a pre imaged fresh harddrive and the next subject went on that machine. The users were able to id the quad core computers an said they were more responsive and felt faster. I can confirm this by also doing the test but i am not counting my self as i knew what whs in the system.

Also not the test subjects were watched to enshure that they did not check anything that would reveal the type of cpu in the system.



So the only person who can awnser your quest is you. If you read this and awnser the questions the choice will be very easy for you.


I leave you with this. The Q6600 is still a beast to this day dispite how old it is. That cpu wll be part of the cpu history as a quad that was never expensive but offered amazeing preformance





But to awnser your question. The cpu will drop right in and work. But if your Q6600 wont oc dont expect the E8600 to oc since the stock mobo in the 630i dosent like high fsb's and going from the 1066 fsb to the 1333 will hurt your overall ocn. Also when you oc you want the lowest fsb chip with the highest multi.

I think your q6600 wont oc because of one of the fallowing,

You memory is beaing oc'ed to much. Unlink your memory remember when you oc you will need to lower the memory davider ir you will be also overclocking the memory.

Disable ce1 and speed step

Set your core voltage to somthing close to yoru vid. 1.35volts for a q6600 is pretty nice and that was one of the higher vid's for the chip. Start with your voltage there and if your memory is set up right you will hit 3ghz with that chip no problem

LOCK YOUR PCIE BUSS!!! Lock yoru pcie and pci buss. PCIE should be about 100mhz if you dont do this it can damage your pc and cause stability problems. I prefered a overclocked pcie buss or benchmarking but thats a little more advanced that just overclocking yoru cpu.


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 Post subject: Re: New Processor
 Post Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:09 am 
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There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to easily overclock your Q6600.

Read this thread, and lets see if we can get something going for you......for free.

http://www.my630i.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3219

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